Tuesday, June 2, 2009

O'Reilly : 1st Amendment or Incitement to Murder? ( The Devil's Dance in the Grey Zone)

"O’Reilly Responds To The Tiller Murder: ‘No Backpedaling Here…Every Single Thing We Said About Tiller Was True’ "

"Fox News host Bill O’Reilly had ... singled out Tiller in the past. According to Salon, O’Reilly first discussed Tiller on Feb. 25, 2005, and subsequently did 28 more episodes mentioning the doctor. "

"Besides repeatedly referring to the doctor as “Tiller the Baby Killer,” what are some of the factual statements O’Reilly has made about Tiller over the years?
– “If you want to kill a baby, you hire Tiller. You’ve got to pay him $5,000 up front, and he’ll kill the baby.”
– “No question Dr. Tiller has blood on his hands.”
– “Dr. George Tiller destroys fetuses for just about any reason, right up until the birth date.”
– “This man executes babies that are about to be born.”
– “This is the kind of stuff happened in Mao’s China, Hitler’s Germany, Stalin’s Soviet Union.”
In the past, O’Reilly has sent out producer Jesse Watters to ambush Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D-KS) and ask her about Tiller. Although many people disagreed with what Tiller did, as President Obama responded, such differences “cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence.” “[T]he same bullet that killed George Tiller also shattered the moral underpinnings of the movement that inspired its firing,” wrote Hendricks."


If the Tiller family wants to continue the service to women that George Tiller lived and died for, they might want to consider a wrongful death civil suit against O'Reilly et. al. and the deep pockets of FOX and its Aussie master. That's were they live. That's where they will feel pain.


drlobojo said...

The real story here is the location of the "bright line".
When does someone cross over?
It used to be "intent and malice" in once area, and crying 'fire" in another. With the expanded cable systems, the Internet, cell phone communications, etc, those standards are not demarcable like they used to be. I'm not talking regulation of the systems, but responsibility of the users. The bright line is more a grey zone where evil can dance with impunity.

Geoffrey Kruse-Safford said...

Part of me wants to agree with you. If it was a single instance, the case might be a little more difficult. The entire history, however, seems to indicate "malice", rather than its absence. The whole "Tiller the Baby Killer" would indicate a certain ideological aggression.

Another part of me thinks that there are so many reason a twisted individual would commit this heinous act, picking on O'Reilly - regardless of our current political and ideological milieu, and his own obvious disdain for Tiller - strikes me as a kind of symbolic payback. Any defense attorney worth his or her salt would do something as simple as depose Tiller's murderer and find out what the immediate causes of said act might be.

I'm not suggesting no role for the haters in this. I'm saying that, as a matter of civil law, it would be difficult to prove.

drlobojo said...

There seems to a group of "inciters" and "fellow travelers" emerging as we hear more about who the murder was and whom he had contact with prior to the act. The proof one would need might simply be on the site records within his computer or in statements made to others. Civil law only requires a "preponderance of evidence' as proof. For FOX etc. just to be named with the lump of offenders would be a lot of damage. Justice takes many forms.

drlobojo said...

Just for the record:

Who Will Save the Babies?
By: Bill O’Reilly for BillOReilly.com
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006


"There is something terrible going on in Kansas and you should know about it. A doctor named George Tiller is performing hundreds, perhaps thousands, of late-term abortions using a variety of medical reasons, including the depression of the mother.

In Kansas, there is a mental health exception which allows an abortionist to terminate a fetus at any time up until birth. The exception is vague, and so is Tiller’s oft-used depression diagnosis, according to documents currently under investigation by Kansas authorities. So the deal is this: If you want to walk away from your pregnancy at any time, just contact Dr. Tiller; he’ll help you out.

But only if you have at least $5,000. The doctor, known as “Tiller the Baby Killer” among some people who object to his practice, lays it all out on his website. He’ll terminate your baby, and even cremate it for you if you wish. He’s one-stop shopping.

According to published reports, Tiller injects the fetus with poison while in the womb, removes it, and disposes of the body. While it’s true that sometimes a mother’s health is severely impacted in late term, most doctors agree this is rare. Babies can now live after 22 weeks when removed by C-section. Late term abortions are almost never necessary.

Unless the mother wants out, that is. And that’s what some people believe Tiller is doing—terminating viable, healthy babies because the mother simply doesn’t want the child.

While the American media wails about alleged human rights violations at Guantanamo Bay, champions fetal stem cell research in the name of compassion, and hollers aplenty at the atrocities in Darfur, the press is largely ignoring the Tiller story, with the exception of the Los Angeles Times. It has glorified Tiller.

An article by Times reporter Stephanie Simon focused on Tiller terminating babies who are seriously ill. Ms. Simon makes no mention of the “depression” factor. She does, however, report that Tiller is aborting Down Syndrome babies which, when you think about it, is kind of chilling.

George Tiller could not do what he’s doing in ultra-liberal France or even in permissive Holland. In France, a baby cannot be aborted after 12 weeks unless two doctors certify a woman’s physical health is endangered, or the fetus has a serious abnormality.

In the Netherlands, abortion is prohibited at all times once the baby is viable outside the mother’s womb.

But in Kansas, if the mom is feeling a bit blue on Tuesday and carries a certified check, Dr. Tiller is willing and able to terminate the baby. Is this what the founding fathers had in mind when they created the Constitution?

I don’t think so, but the secular press disagrees. Just this week The New York Times, whose editorial writers worship at the altar of abortion, called the investigation into Tiller’s gruesome practice a “gross assault on privacy and legal rights [...]“. You see, to the Times editorial board, no baby in the womb deserves any protection at any time. It’s all under the secular-progressive banner of “reproductive rights.”

But even the secularists who run France and Holland are not that militant. It is hard to believe that babies have more protections in Paris and Amsterdam than they do in Wichita. But that’s the truth."

This article was re-published in the newsletter of "Operation Rescue" to which Tiller's murder subscribed.

Bill can't have it both ways. Either he is a great and influrntial man or he is just a news commentator. Who pays $10 million a year to "just a news commentator"? Should not a great and influential man be held responsible for those he influences?